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------------------------------------------------- Area : Z1_POLITICAL Date : Wed Jun 16, 10:37 From : Martin Belcke 1:232/10 To : Douglas Myers Subj : Re: Final notice Any candidate attacked by you will be cut. Immediate ------------------------------------------------- > I got to these two echomail messages from you. I'm NOT going after > you... I don't have a better moderator in mind than the one Martin > appointed. I'm just disagreeing on this one issue with you. Just a small correction here. The RCC appointed Joe. As the elisted moderator of the two echos, I agreed to list him as such and to temporarily remove myself from active moderation. --Martin-- --- DB 1.58/002255 * Origin: Illinois River Valley BBS, Inc. (1:232/10) ------------------------------------------------- Area : Z1_POLITICAL Date : Thu Jun 17, 13:58 From : Martin Belcke 1:232/10 To : Clay Tannacore Subj : Re: Final notice Any candidate attacked by you will be cut. Immediate ------------------------------------------------- > Martin, if I were in your position. I would consider reversing that > agreement, if only to detach yourself from a very uncomfortable > situation. There is no use you suffering the consequences of the Jared > appointment (as Moderator) when it's not necessary. Unlike you, I don't go back on an agreement. I agreed to turn over the echo untill after the election process is concluded and that is exactly what I plan to do. It is no longer my call --Martin-- --- DB 1.58/002255 * Origin: Illinois River Valley BBS, Inc. (1:232/10) ------------------------------------------------- Area : Z1_POLITICAL Date : Thu Jun 17, 13:04 From : Clay Tannacore 1:18/4 To : Joe Jared Subj : Re: Now is the time ------------------------------------------------- * Message copied from "Z1_ELECTION" >> That's yet another example of the Jared duel-standard(s) employed during >> his tenant as Moderator of Z1_ELECTION echo. JJ> I had expected that my routed netmail would have gotten to you by now. JJ> Please refrain from posting until June 23rd. Failure to comply hopefully, JJ> will result in an immediate feedcut. Kiss my ass Jared, I'll post when I want too. I'm not posting in any echo you moderate, so get out of my life. CT --- * Origin: Vet Net South - North Charleston SC 843.760.9996 (1:18/4) ------------------------------------------------- Area : Z1_POLITICAL Date : Thu Jun 17, 22:55 From : Martin Belcke 1:232/10 To : Clay Tannacore Subj : Re: Now is the time ------------------------------------------------- In a message to Joe Jared, you stated. > Kiss my ass Jared, I'll post when I want too. I'm not posting in any > echo you moderate, so get out of my life. Hate to burst your bubble, Clay, but Joe is the Moderator for Z1_ELECTION and Z1_POLITICAL until after the ZC election is concluded, so you ARE posting in an echo that he moderates. --Martin-- --- DB 1.58/002255 * Origin: Illinois River Valley BBS, Inc. (1:232/10) ------------------------------------------------- Area : SUPER-BITCH Date : Fri Jun 18, 03:13 From : Ruth Argust 1:2404/201 To : Fellow Conspirators and Guests Subj : Emergency Meeting ------------------------------------------------- Hello Fellow Conspirators and Honoured Guests! Welcome to the SUPER-BITCH echo where all the wayward persons who have had their feeds cut from the Z1_ELECTION echo will find a home. We are glad that many of the candidates have come to visit with us here, else we might never get a chance to malign them again without their knowledge. Now that calling this meeting of the conspiracy to order has been accomplished, I wonder how many of you have been paying attention to comments made by the candidates in regard to echomail policy. At this particular meeting, we shall proceed to discuss only three of the candidates. I know that's not fair whatsoever but the other two have not given me a chance to condemn them as yet but I will be ever vigilant. Do we need or want an echomail policy? Do we need or want moderator appeals? As far as I have seen, no. This is why both Douglas and David will not be hounded today, they have both said that *if* any such action is needed they would respond. They did not say that they would seek such action. Let's take a snippet from each of the other three candidates next. All quotes have been excerpted from that over Moderated echo, Z1_ELECTION. ---------------------------------------- Dallas said on 6-15-99 to Jack Yates: JY> - Create an appeal chain for redress of moderator action? DH> Indirectly. By that, I mean that I would like to see the *EC DH> chain become more independant of the *C, including recognizing DH> that the moderator is boss, and implementing a proper echomail DH> policy with a complaint procedure and an appeals process. This DH> would then put echomail under the jurisdiction of the *ECs rather DH> than the *Cs. If the moderator is boss, what type of complaint procedure and appeals would be put into place? Isn't this a contradiction in terms? I am not certain that we need any echomail policy at all, so I am not certain what this statement implies. The use of "a proper echomail policy" as used by Dallas need be defined a bit more as well as the appeal. Bobby on 6-15-99 to Jack Yates: JY> - Limit or change the authority of the echo moderators? BQ> I can see situations where a moderators authority should be BQ> limited somewhat but it is the moderators job to see that the echo BQ> in question runs smoothly. So maybe limit them by creating the BQ> appeal chain you address in your next question but at the same BQ> time don't limit their ability to do their job. If we use the moderator is boss in their own echo rule and abide by the long held Fido tradition of voting with your feet, any limitation of the moderator's authority is erosion. JY> - Create an appeal chain for redress of moderator action? BQ> We definately need this. I have seen moderators in the past ban BQ> someone for seemingly no reason and this shouldn't be allowed. It BQ> just makes users leave FidoNet for other Networks where they are BQ> allowed to post. Some of us were banned from the discussions of selecting a Z1C but we didn't leave for other networks. Again, this is eroding the moderator's authority. If a person is a user in Fido echoes, they LEARN to obey the echo rules. The power hungry moderator here is really the exception and not the rule. I hate to draw on my own Moderator experiences since I don't think I am any expert but my echo DOORGAMES has always tended to attract many user "flakes". Such is the nature of the discussion. Yet in the last year, I have had only one feed cut and that is probably the only cut I have had to make in the last couple of years. The users of the echoes are generally much more cooperative and rarely break the echo rules these days and our traffic is down. We are getting a much higher class of participants...ones who want to be there as opposed to the hit and miss ones who saw an echo as s/he was on a BBS and decided to have some fun. (Off the record, the feed cut I had to place was after giving the person at least 6 warnings. He was insisting on discussing how Canada could whip the US in a war which had nothing to do with topic. Since our net was multi-national at that time, being in both R10 and R12, I didn't wish it to come to an outright war in real life as one of my homes would have been threatened.) Todd on 6-16-99 to Jack Yates: JY>- Create an appeal chain for redress of moderator action? TC> Yes: Make it similar to Policy Complaint but make it a echo TC> complaint and have the REC's make final judgement. Make all TC> Regions REC's vote on the final ruling as a body. Again, another appeal allowed against moderator action but this one goes even further structuring it in the form of an echomail PC. Do we really want anything like this? I say hell no! Think about it, it could lead to an excomm based on echomail. Now two more points that I have not seen anyone comment on so far. One of them is terrifying. This excerpt is taken from a message from Todd on 6-15-99 to Andrea: AS> - Approximately how many times a year do you travel and expect to be AS> away from your system? TC> 3-4 times a year usually 3-4 weeks each trip. I do have worldwide TC> Internet access to all areas I travel. BBS is on the net so it TC> is accessible worldwide.. So Todd will be gone a minimum of 9 weeks per year up to 16 weeks per year. That's two 1/2 to FOUR months out of the year. I would say that's a long time to be missing as Z1C, irregardless of his internet connections. AS> - Why do you want to be Zone 1 Coordinator and what is your vision AS> of the future of Fidonet? TC> My vision is simple. Encourage growth through embracing with open TC> arms new technology. Encourage sysops to develop new user TC> distribution methods. Push Technology, Fido Based News servers TC> moderated. Encourage more gating to active networks like Rime. Are we seriously going to gate to other NETWORKS? This is FidoNet! If this comment didn't scare the crap out of you, you must be asleep! ---------------------------------------- Some of you are still able to access the hallowed doors of the Z1_ELECTION echo. I hope that you will try to follow up on any of these points that bother you personally. Any candidates who are present at this meeting may feel free to comment here without fear of moderator redress. The meeting of the ousted conspirators is now concluded. Please remove your secret decoder rings and leave quietly. Only speak to others members outside this door in hushed whispers. Thank you all for your attention. *ruth* --- * Origin: The Great White South (1:2404/201) ------------------------------------------------- Return to Z1C Election Scam Page
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